Avatar Meher Baba Center Southern California
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The Oral History Archive Project
God Speaks Session Three
Meher Baba's God Speaks
How It All Happened
When you are in sound sleep, you are not only unconscious of your body and the universe, but also of your very existence. When you are in the dreaming state, you are conscious of your existence and you see various objects, dream creatures which do not really exist, but which you regard as real so long as your dream lusts. In the same way, creation exists and at the same time it does not exist.
By way of introduction, taking the Almighty as the Infinite Ocean, the following diagram should be considered one indivisible whole.
The portion A of the Ocean is still or motionless. That is God in the state which is beyond even superconsciousness. In this state, God, with latent consciousness, has been experiencing and sustaining infinite powers, eternal existence, unfathomable bliss and universal knowledge. But He neither knows Himself (as Infinite ocean), nor the universe (as nothing).
The portion B of the Ocean is in motion. There are countless, numberless drops, each having a bubble about it. Every drop is the Ocean Itself; but though, like the Ocean in portion A, it does not know that it is Ocean; still, it is conscious to the extent of knowing that it is only a drop surrounded by a bubble. God in this state is Jivatma or individual soul.
The third portion, C, stands for the same Ocean with drops, each of which is quite conscious of Self (as) Ocean. These drops are Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Jesus, Buddha, Mohamed*, Tukaram, Nanak, Kabir, Hafiz, Ramakrishna and such others. The drops in this portion of the Infinite Ocean are many; but every drop is one indivisible whole, and is completely conscious that it is Ocean and not a mere drop.
The point D in the diagram denotes the Creator. The same still Ocean when it began rolling, began creating, and thus became the Creator at the point D. In other words, the point D through which the creation manifests itself, is the Creator.
Consider Paramatman as Infinite Knowledge. As He is latently conscious, it follows that He neither knows Himself, nor, before the creation manifested itself, did He know the creation. This implies that knowledge is ignorant, i.e., ignorance
*In Volume 3 Number 1 page 35 of The Awakener Magazine The Philosophy and Teachings of Shri Meher Baba printed spelling of Mohamed as Mohomed.-webmaster 2006
is in Knowledge. When the creation manifested itself, He became conscious of it but not of Himself. That is to say Knowledge knows that it does not know. Now, where does this knowing of "not knowing" come from? From Knowledge, of course. And this goes to prove that "knowing" as well as "not knowing" (ignorance) is latent in Knowledge.
Just as there are "knowing" and "not knowing" in Knowledge, so there are movement and emptiness, prana and akasha, in the Ocean of Paramatman. And just as knowing brings the most finite ignorance out of the Infinite Knowledge, the movement brings out the most finite emptiness out of the Infinite Ocean, and so the prana and akasha, when the latently conscious Paramatman becomes conscious of the creation. To put the matter in a table of terms.
The Beyond the Beyond State of God
This state is absolutely the original unbounded absolute vacuum state of God—neither the nirg una - nirakar, nor the saguna -sakar states of God—where “God-Is” and “consciousness is-not.” When it is said, “God-Is,” it describes the state which prevails beyond the beginning of the beginning of Creation.